Raw, Unscripted, Messy Leading With Who We Are Jenn T. Grace, Robin Dillard, and Jennifer Brown 

[00:00:00] Jenn: [00:00:00] Hello, Jennifer Brown. 

[00:00:03] Jennifer B: [00:00:03] Hello, Jen T grace. How are ya? 

[00:00:09] Jenn: [00:00:09] How about you? 

[00:00:10] Jennifer B: [00:00:10] Did we get our PPP money yet? No, 

[00:00:14] Jenn: [00:00:14] I did not. 

[00:00:14] Jennifer B: [00:00:14] No, we did not either. No. Yes. So we’ll see if this fund runs out of money too, because all the big corporations are jumping in there and grabbing it first. I know I saw 

[00:00:24] Jenn: [00:00:24] part of our discussion last week.

[00:00:25] And so we’re now on week eight. These calls, 

[00:00:30] Jennifer B: [00:00:30] as we said last week. 

[00:00:32] Jenn: [00:00:32] We were like, Hey, let’s just do this thing while we’re in quarantine. And now here we are eight weeks later and multiple four weeks scheduled because we’re stuck still. 

[00:00:42] Jennifer B: [00:00:42] Yes we are. 

[00:00:45] Jenn: [00:00:45] But the benefit of that is that we get to bring our friend on Robin, uh, here 

[00:00:49] Jennifer B: [00:00:49] to talk with us today.

[00:00:51] Hey 

[00:00:51] Robin: [00:00:51] Robin, how are you? I mean, in context roof, over my head, warm food [00:01:00] people I love around. And realizing that that’s a blessing. So I’m wondering. 

[00:01:06] Jenn: [00:01:06] Yeah. So Jen and I have known you for what feels like a very long time at this point. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s close to a decade. Like it’s gotta be pretty close if not a full decade.

[00:01:18] So you are fabulous in so many ways, and we both know that. So we wanted you to bring your fabulousness on, on here to just, I don’t know, you know, today’s conversation is really. There’s so many things that I think we can talk about, but our, as our title shows like raw unscripted, messy, and just really kind of having, having no choice, but to lead with who we are at this point.

[00:01:41] Jennifer B: [00:01:41] So 

[00:01:42] Robin: [00:01:42] where do we want to start, Jen? 

[00:01:44] Jennifer B: [00:01:44] I think, you know, I’d love to hear Robin from you. Uh, you are, you’re a great marketer, you know, you’re a great content producer and you’re an entrepreneur. So, so you are right. I know right now thinking a lot about how do we, how do we show [00:02:00] up in a resonant way, in an authentic way that is situationally.

[00:02:05] Appropriate. Right. And at the same time, we’re we’re business owners. We need you, in your case, you need to sell magazine and, you know, put that brand out there, but it’s changed and we’ve all acknowledged. Many of us have acknowledged. Some of us have not acknowledged that we need to change. Right. So we keep getting those marketing messages that just feel off.

[00:02:24] Um, so what are you thinking about for your own brand and what are you advising others to. To find in terms of a balance right now of how do we need to show up, like, what is working right now? What is really feeling like, Hmm, that’s good. That like really, you know, that message really hits and really builds my relationship with this brand or this person, because we have also been talking about people first, not company first.

[00:02:48] Right. So now is the time to kind of bring the raw and scripted, messy, real, um, the person into the front forefront of the brand, um, and that’s comfortable or not comfortable. For some people, right? [00:03:00] Because some of us are more comfortable, uh, leading with something that’s a bit more arms length, and now is the time to actually do the opposite.

[00:03:07] So I’m sure, I’m sure some of the people you’re counseling are struggling with that with authenticity. Cause it’s easier for some of us than others. 

[00:03:14] Robin: [00:03:14] Right to deal with the Polish, the picture, the camera ready version. Right. And this is not where we are because globally we’re all experiencing something that’s profound and, and it will end one day.

[00:03:27] It will stop. But in this time, what is it that we’re creating for the future? What is it that we’re thinking about? And I. I mean, that’s really what it’s all about is understanding who you are and what kind of message do you want to lead with in this time that’s going to be, you know, will this, there was a line drawn in the sand the, the time before the quarantine, and then after, what were you like?

[00:03:49] And I want to come out of this, you know, Stronger, um, or human, more connected to people and, and that’s what I’ve been advising [00:04:00] people on. So the funny thing is when this all started, we had just launched our spring magazine and our content had been in the works for months. And so it had, it’s typical, you know, learn about this new business owner and this person that’s doing a great thing.

[00:04:13] And this communicator and people contributing all kinds of things, but all of a sudden, in a days, you know, in one day’s time, it was no longer. It was relevant, but it didn’t feel right. I mean, I was getting bombarded just like probably you guys with all kinds of email messages and com you know, first of all, a business owner and all my employees are working from home.

[00:04:37] I’m so great. Look at what I’m doing messages. And it was really awful because it felt like this is a time when you should be trying to. Reach out to people connect, see how they’re doing, what can I do to be of service? Cause we’re all in a collective global timeout. Right. And you know, and sometimes it feels like punishment, [00:05:00] right.

[00:05:00] But other times it feels like, wow, when. In all your days, could you ever, ever, ever remember where we all had to just sit down and take stock of who we are internally and who we are as a contributor in our communities and in our families and with our friends and our chosen families, you never get this.

[00:05:20] So it’s, it’s, it’s gift in so many ways. And that’s what I’ve been reminding people. So the first thing we did was with each one of our major features in the magazine, I thought. I’m going to have to get on camera, you know, gray hairs and all figure it out, you know, pick a room in the house, that’s quiet and, and call them on the phone and let’s figure out if we can interview them and make this story that we created.

[00:05:45] That was so great. Relevant again, let’s, let’s give people a way to connect to it and connect to the human, um, because with a lot of our articles and BQ pride, most all of our articles, it’s not about who just got a job or wow. Look how wonderful. [00:06:00] It’s really trying to eliminate the human behind anything that we’re doing.

[00:06:05] Cause people will buy who. And why the, what is always after that. So if you can connect and understand why someone’s done, I understand publish your purpose. If I understand Jen Brown, your. Why you’re doing what you’re doing, I can sign up, I’ll buy it, I’m with you. And so that was really important in this time to start zeroing in on that for folks and folks that are reluctant, they don’t even know that that’s what’s happening in character me is that we’re going to find out your why, and we’re going to, we’re going to let people connect with that.

[00:06:40] Jennifer B: [00:06:40] That’s so beautiful. I find myself going back to some of my favorite podcast guests and. Asking them for a new version of what we talked about, like redoing things to Robins. I think, you know, repurposing things to is really important right now because we need to also be gentle on ourselves. I think we’re all very hard charging [00:07:00] type a people 

[00:07:01] Jenn: [00:07:01] on this call 

[00:07:02] Jennifer B: [00:07:02] and I’m being gentle with ourselves and.

[00:07:06] I love what you just said. The quiet that has descended for some of us, for others of us, our lives are more chaotic than ever. And so I understand that even quiet right now is a privilege to be able to just. Take a breath and say I’ve been running so fast and I never have time to really sit and think and stretch myself or try these new things that I know I need to do to show up as a person in my brand.

[00:07:31] And what would authenticity and rawness and realness look like for me? And what role does that have to play with my brand? I think that’s a lot of really new territory for people who, who have kind of stayed away from that spotlight and. Um, and for some of us though, it’s, um, I can’t wait and I actually have sort of thought about how can I give voice to others right now?

[00:07:52] I mean, that’s how I’m kind of, what’s keeping me alive is finding my voice through others. I’m learning so much from others. I’m listening, I’m [00:08:00] building platforms and convening my community calls and just listening and dancing with people right now to see what’s working. How are you feeling? This is how I’m feeling.

[00:08:10] I mean, it’s this tremendous. Strangely as isolated as we are. The connections right now is, is for this extrovert. I’m feeling like really full, really full too many zoom calls, certainly. But you know, it’s, it’s an overwhelming amount I think of, of, of things I’m learning right now that I know are going to be useful.

[00:08:32] Um, if you kind of change the dial and you tune into a different frequency right now, there is, there is so much to work with and there’s, we don’t may not have the answers, but I think what’s important is one foot in front of the other right now. That’s all we need to know. We don’t need to have a plan because you can’t have a plan.

[00:08:48] Cause we don’t know what’s ahead. Right. Do you feel like you, you, I know you think you don’t know what’s ahead. You were sharing with us. What that feels like, um, for your industry, for your work? Like [00:09:00] how do you see what’s ahead if you possibly can or how do you cope with not being able to see it? 

[00:09:04] Robin: [00:09:04] Yeah.

[00:09:05] Coping with it is just strategizing on staying real about who I am and what my value is and what I can offer, how I can help and staying in tune with that. Being able to create so many wonderful opportunities just right here in front of my computer and realizing when it feels crazy, crazy busy, but we know the world is shut down.

[00:09:25] And I know I’m in my house and they can’t go anywhere without a mask and gloves, you know, then I realized I’m creating that crazy because the world is shut down so I can modularly, you know, sort of throttle, figure out how much of that I want to take in. And when I want to take it in and that’s been really helpful because once this period’s over, it’s over right.

[00:09:48] Quiet. We’re back in the mix. And the question is how, how can I. Maintain that understanding about my core of who I am and what I bring and not get caught up in the crazy and the mat and still [00:10:00] create value. Right. I think, um, some of the world we were in before was a lot of it was superficial and about look at me and this person is so great and not truly, maybe truly creating value, but not really.

[00:10:16] Truly delivering that value. Right. And that’s, what’s really important is being sure you’re delivering the value to a person. I always want people to feel like when they spend a nickel or dime with me that they got $10 back, right. They felt like this is something I can use and make more out of. And it’s no problem for me.

[00:10:37] I mean, I want. I mean this where it’s abundance out there, the question is navigating through it and figuring out and being able to spot it, you know, getting out of your own way, um, when trying to figure out how you can make your business better and making it better, it’s putting more of yourself into it.

[00:10:55] Not more just of your time. It’s more of your creativity. It’s more of your [00:11:00] essence. It’s more of those things that help you to create and create for others. And that’s what I want to do. 

[00:11:07] Jenn: [00:11:07] What I find really interesting as we’re talking is that it’s so. Fascinating that we have this whole mindset around abundance right now.

[00:11:17] Right? So we’re all coming from a place of abundance in terms of not financial abundance, but abundance. Right? So we have creative abundance. We have a community that’s abundant. We have. Connections and people, and we can get our emotional needs met even for physical needs might not be, might not be being met, but at the same time, we have like the abundance on one side and not on the other side is complete and utter lack of financial resources.

[00:11:44] So it’s kind of like this really interesting balance, right? Where. Like we are putting so much of our heart, our soul, our energy, everything we can into something that is not giving a return on its investment and probably [00:12:00] won’t who knows how long. So I find that I find just that, like that, that dichotomy just really interesting to think.

[00:12:06] And I, and I, I guess maybe it’s helping other people think about this, that. You may not have the financial means to be doing any number of things that you prefer to be doing right now. And your cashflow might have dried up. You might be a negative numbers. There’s a number of things are happening for so many of us.

[00:12:24] Robin: [00:12:24] But at the same 

[00:12:24] Jenn: [00:12:24] time, that doesn’t mean you can’t still be approaching everything you do with full abundance. 

[00:12:30] Robin: [00:12:30] You know, I, I have to say, I always use this sentiment. Like if your hands are closed, like this. Know, you, you can’t get anything. Right. But if your hands are open, not only can you give, but you can receive.

[00:12:46] Right. So that’s exactly what happened to me right on the beginning of the, the shutdown and the stay at home mandates. I, I just have to tell you out of nowhere, [00:13:00] I created the opportunity for someone to give me an amazing luxury car. For no, no money. I mean, I just wanted a couple hundred dollars and they’re like, well, what’d you like to ride around in my car?

[00:13:13] And I’m like, Oh my goodness. Absolutely. And there was no money exchange, but so if I was thinking about, I want to ride in this great car, I’d be thinking about how do I get the payment to get, you know, to, and instead it was an opportunity where we just have to think broader about. What we’re doing. And it came out of giving, right?

[00:13:32] A friend asked me to do a Q and a panel, um, for a movie screening. And I thought, why me on a movie screening? And then they gave me a call and they described the person they wanted. And that was like, Oh, that’s me. You know, because the topic of this movie was the DNI topic around it’s called burden. It was really around the burden of a black man walking through for 12 hours and it followed him.

[00:13:58] And it was at some funny [00:14:00] moments, but it was really supposed to spark a conversation. And this is, um, it was amazing to be able to sit through that process, question them, get into it, you know, get the makeup and the lashes going. Cause I you’re going, gonna put me in front. I’m going to get ready. Right. And then to come out of it.

[00:14:16] Someone from a major car brand saw me there and they had a fall through and a person that they wanted to do a panel for them the next week. And that’s the snowball. They called me. They, their budget was limited. They said, would you accept the car? And I was like, Right. And so then I thought, how can I keep this going?

[00:14:40] And that’s exactly, it’s like sourcing from, it feels like nowhere, but it’s really from who you are just being who you are, putting yourself out there. And realizing there is abundance out there because the trees grow every day, the flowers grow. We have air, we don’t suck in a little bit and I’m scared.

[00:14:59] You’re going to suck some in, [00:15:00] so I don’t get any right. It’s there. And if you can just put your mind there and in your heart and keep moving forward and not getting caught up in all the little games. The dichotomy disappears. Cause there’s only one thing going on. It’s it’s you putting your true self out there and I see you women doing it all the time and that’s why I’ve always been a fan of the Jen and Jen show.

[00:15:23] Um, even separately before I even knew you knew each other. Um, always, and, and that’s what I admire and I want more of that in my life. And I want more people like that. And I, I think, and when we put that forward and we’re moving like that, the stuff that doesn’t sound like that, or doesn’t resonate with it.

[00:15:39] Sort of disappears and I’m promising, I’m not going to miss it when it goes I’m it’s going to be like, Oh, well 

[00:15:45] Jennifer B: [00:15:45] I think, yeah, I, Oh, you’re so right, Robin. Like the goodness of what’s happening right now is, is something we need to, we will fight for, to keep. And I’m interested in how employers in particular are going to.

[00:15:59] Not see this [00:16:00] as a temporary thing and go back to business as usual. But I had somebody on my call call it business as us. And it was a beautiful reframe of BAU, right. That acronym that it’s, it’s leading with us. And honestly, being heard about what we’ve always wanted, that we haven’t really gotten from flexibility to being truly seen and heard.

[00:16:22] For who we are. Right. And not having to deal with the microaggressions that happen so often in the physical office because of our physical appearance. Right. And the sort of reactions that certain of us get. I had somebody on my call who’s in the LGBTQ community. And, um, they said they identify as they, them pronouns, um, that I haven’t been mis-gendered.

[00:16:46] As much in this virtual world, like I can really be myself. And I think there’s a level of the goodness for diversity and inclusion in the sort of quantum leap that I think we’re going to be able to take, because all of a sudden, a lot of things are getting sorted into the way they [00:17:00] should have always been from an accessibility perspective from, uh, the balance that we need to caregive.

[00:17:06] And parent and work. You know, some of we’ve known this because we’ve been entrepreneurs forever. I’ve been working from home. Right. We know the, how great this life really is. If you’re not homeschooling your kids at the same time and that’s a big gift. So if that sorts itself out. I really pray. Cause I worry about the parents in my world.

[00:17:25] Robin: [00:17:25] Um, uh, 

[00:17:27] Jennifer B: [00:17:27] but, but we know how productive we are. We know how engaged we are. We know that, um, you know, it is the great democratization. I think of voices that’s happening right now. We’re seeing what’s possible. Um, and so I wonder if you think net net, this may be really good for diversity and inclusion, you know?

[00:17:45] Cause I know you’re so passionate about that. You know what could go right? In this moment, what is going right? And what do we want to hang on to that we’re learning right now that we really need to get baked into the future so that we can all be seen and heard? 

[00:18:00] [00:18:00] Robin: [00:18:00] That’s a great question, because I think when we think about the inequities, especially in our healthcare, and we think about the inequities in communities, um, when I think of people that, that look like me or women out there, or folks that, you know, Before we even knew were exposed to this virus and were out there.

[00:18:22] We were all out there, you know, going about our happy lives. And now, because of the situation we’re in, it’s illuminated like the inequities, the problems, the bad voices, the bad actors, they’re all front and center stage, and we’re all focused on it and we can see it and we have a choice. Do we want something better?

[00:18:43] And I think that’s the beauty of this moment. It’s like, Karmic debt, like where it’s just all coming full circle and we’re having a collective timeout. Let’s look at this and it’s unfortunate. It’s sad. It’s devastating to think of people suffering or [00:19:00] having to pass on with, without their loved ones with them.

[00:19:04] Um, it could have been any of us. Um, so stay close to people that you love and realize that you don’t own them. Your experience with them is, is, is, uh, I think it’s ultimately infinite, but right now, and in this way, it’s finite. Right? And so show your love and expression and connect with people really. And.

[00:19:29] It’s so funny, social media and video and blogging and all this stuff has just been getting such a bad rap all these years. And now it’s, it’s absolutely our lifeline. So I think that, um, a lot of people got up to speed fast. I mean, you knew you could deliver, you know, you could discuss a reason in the sun with eighth graders and have a meaningful conversation online and deliver high quality education.

[00:19:55] And not everybody. Has that experience, but now we know that it’s [00:20:00] possible to distance learning. It’s possible to work from home. It’s really also obvious to see who really is essential in our economy. You know, you depend on the people at the grocery store to be at the grocery store to keep the lights on.

[00:20:16] And the shelves stocked, the people that are cutting the meat, you know, to get it to you are farming, you know, the land to get everything it’s really. Clear what’s important. And now the question is not to let those voices and naysayers and controls folks, or, you know, what we have before the status quo to overtake us again.

[00:20:39] And I think we have an opportunity now to create a future that we want to live in, um, with people and appreciating people in the way we want to. 

[00:20:48] Jennifer B: [00:20:48] Robin, that’s beautiful. I want to somebody remarked on your allyship and how you’re a role model for allyship in the comments. And I just, I just want to say you are, and, and I want to make this point that [00:21:00] allyship is the definition of it is shifting because of what we’ve been shown.

[00:21:05] You know, you just said we’ve been shown. So now we have a decision. Like, I feel like I have been trying to show for as long as I’ve been doing this work, trying to reflect other people’s realities to people that don’t innately, walk that path. Right. So that we can generate empathy so that we can generate action from empathy like that.

[00:21:24] That’s the definition of allyship. I think right now I’m advising people who aren’t experiencing the worst part of this. To step forward and, you know, think of that allyship is more important than ever, whether that means that you’re educating about health disparities, whether it means you’re talking about eight racism pointed at the APA I community right now.

[00:21:47] Um, whether you’re educating about, um, you’re not a parent of human children, but you’re in a team with parents, you know, are you offering extra cycles that you may have to contribute so that you can redistribute work? [00:22:00] You know, our, if we are a manager, are you being understanding and empathetic right now?

[00:22:04] And are you still applying old, old lenses and definitions of productivity and having expectations of certain hours? I mean, there’s just so many things. Um, I guess, I guess new ways to look through an allyship lens of mental health, for example, too. Um, you know, that, that some of us might be suffering more than others right now.

[00:22:26] And how can I step in and support. So, but all of that is predicated on trusting each other enough to share what’s really going on with our, with each other, which has been really risky for particularly people who are underrepresented and who anticipate. Um, being stereotyped to anticipate not being able to be themselves, all of who they are and who anticipate being stigmatized.

[00:22:48] If they do show all of who they are and if they do reflect what’s really going on in their families, um, and with their mental health. And, and so I think there’s this great right now and [00:23:00] unveiling and, and sort of the dropping of the. That image. And I hope I know it’s difficult because it feels a bit intrusive or a lot intrusive to be always on video and sort of having people beam into your life.

[00:23:14] Um, and, and not feeling like you can turn your video on that day because you’re really struggling. You know, and, and, and so making the space for all the, for us to be just how we are that day and that hour it’s up and down and up and down and, and everything, you know? And so that, I think, I wonder, what do you think is the nuances that we’re learning about allyship right now?

[00:23:35] Like what would you say to. Energized ally would be allies, aspiring allies, because allies is not an identity. It’s a, it’s a journey. 

[00:23:44] Robin: [00:23:44] It’s an action. 

[00:23:45] Jennifer B: [00:23:45] It’s an action. It’s a verb. So what do you think is what would be your advice to really activate your allyship right now and around what? 

[00:23:52] Robin: [00:23:52] Well, I would say first things first is everyone is an ally.

[00:23:57] Every single one of us is an [00:24:00] ally to someone. Um, and so when you realize that, I think when I think about the BQ pride magazine and the conversations we have with people is first to understand that this platform is a safe space because I’m an ally and I’m an ally because I understand what it feels like to be marginalized or excluded, or, um, and I know what it feels like.

[00:24:26] To be loved or to be admired or to be appreciated for PO first and then take you at face value and really listen. Um, and I think that’s, what’s most important now is that creating safe spaces for people to show up just as who they are, you know, save your opinions and all that, put them aside because when you really connect with someone, when you really take the time to connect with someone it’s, it’s easy.

[00:24:51] You know, for me, BQ pride is about painting portraits. Um, I’m a photographer, no secret. I don’t think I’m not a great [00:25:00] photographer, but I love it. So that’s all that matters. But then I realized that I I’m into portraits and the portraits that we try to paint with BQ pride. I had to explain to myself, you know, almost eight, nine years ago, why are you doing this?

[00:25:16] I mean, you’re an ally. It’s not your situation. Exactly. Why are you putting yourself through just cause people would look at me cross eyed, like, why are you here? What’s going on? You know, and I would, I didn’t really have a good answer at first minutes started to think about what I was getting out of it.

[00:25:34] Right. And it’s these moments to connect my person with another person and then to be able to paint a portrait, um, Sometimes with my camera. Sometimes it’s a story that I’m directing. Sometimes it’s connecting a person to another person because I understand I’ve seen the portrait. I think what’s so joyful for me and for people to be able to see that reflection of themselves.

[00:25:59] And [00:26:00] I think that’s one of the definitions of portraiture and photography about the light and seeing.

[00:26:09] And then being pleasantly. I think that’s what I want people to do is especially in this time, you know, call me, I would love to talk to you about what you’re doing and how you’re finding meaning in life and how you’re moving that through in your business. And then what is it that people really need to know the essence of you?

[00:26:26] And if you’re a diverse owned business of whatever sort, what about that diversity? Is, is it that you’re embracing that you’re bringing to the table? It can’t just be because you check a box it’s it’s my whole being provides a different lens and a different view of something and of problem solving. And I think right now this is a level, almost level playing field when we’re out there speaking, um, Or his level it’s going to get, there are some really quiet voices that have profound and wonderful ideas and innovations that in [00:27:00] most cases they’re not seen in, they’re not heard, but this world is so desperate for answers that if we could just shout a little bit about these folks right now, you know, we can, we can get them hurt.

[00:27:11] We can get them seen. So that’s what I’m focused on. I totally get to go back to work, which is. The same space that I’m in right now, except for a couple of events going on. But, um, and that’s what I want to do. And I really appreciate having the time to connect with you too, in this way, because it’s, heart-centered, it’s human centered, um, understanding who you are, why you do what you do and amplifying that message.

[00:27:34] And I think that’s really important in our future and for our businesses out there to do the same. 

[00:27:40] Jennifer B: [00:27:40] It’s been so great to have you here, right? Robin today. There’s so much good stuff in this. We’re getting lots of comments, which I hope you can go back and look at later and appreciate and feel appreciated because you are a wonderful light.

[00:27:52] And you know, I look right across the room, always at you and say, I know why she’s here and I would be lying to you [00:28:00] because you have. This openness of spirit, and I can feel your heart. And I so appreciate your allyship to the LGBTQ community. And you’re showing up over and over again, particularly all the NGLCC communities that Jen and I are always in the room and you’re always in the room.

[00:28:15] And it’s so much of this is showing up so much of this as putting yourself in places where maybe people do look at you cross eyed and say, why are you here? You know, what’s your interest in this? I know, cause to me, I get those on all sides too. And I enter a room in a space that’s. Where people don’t look like me or don’t identify as me.

[00:28:32] And that’s one of the very first steps of allyship is put yourself into those places. Um, even if it feels awkward, And that’s your work. I mean, it’s, that’s the good stuff. I mean, that’s where you, you get to connect with humans, you learn about difference. You make relationships, you gate, you get mentored by people that are different from you.

[00:28:55] You learn you’re enriched and you know, you’ve enriched our community as much as, [00:29:00] um, the reverse. So I just want to thank you for coming on today. 

[00:29:04] Robin: [00:29:04] Thank you. 

[00:29:05] Jenn: [00:29:05] Good. And I wanna, I wanna make it clear that you are a brilliant photographer

[00:29:16] and then your directing skills for videography. So. We had the all three of us had the pleasure of working together for the company video for publisher purpose press. And that was all Robin’s million. So I’m always telling people when they’re like, Oh my God, that video was amazing. Like I had nothing to do with it.

[00:29:33] I just showed her follow Robin’s directions. 

[00:29:37] Robin: [00:29:37] I love that. I love that. And I think one of the lessons I learned and I’ll make this quick is that creating a safe space is really important as an ally, but respecting. Dedicated spaces and respecting sacred spaces is really important. So, um, I know my lane and it’s the creative, safe space.

[00:30:03] [00:30:00] Jenn: [00:30:03] That’s awesome. We could talk to you for an 

[00:30:05] Jennifer B: [00:30:05] hour.

[00:30:09] Robin: [00:30:09] This has been nice. I had no idea what I was in for. 

[00:30:13] Jennifer B: [00:30:13] We got you. 

[00:30:15] Jenn: [00:30:15] We’re like, let’s just go live and we’ll hope for the best.

[00:30:20] Yeah, this is awesome. So we have your, your website scrolling along the bottom. It’s also in the notes below this video, wherever people might be watching, but you know, if there’s anything else you want any call to action, if you will, 

[00:30:32] Robin: [00:30:32] for sure, not with me on LinkedIn, that’s a great place to start a conversation and, um, to reach me via email Robin at business equality network that come visit the website.

[00:30:44] And if I can help in any way, I sure will. 

[00:30:48] Jenn: [00:30:48] Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, thank you so much. This is awesome.