Optimize Mind, Body, and Spirit in Stressful Times Jenn T. Grace, James R. Nowlin, Jennifer Brown 

[00:00:00] Jenn: [00:00:00] Hey, Jen, how are you? 

[00:00:04] James: [00:00:04] Hey, Jen. 

[00:00:05] Jennifer B: [00:00:05] Grace. I’m okay. I’ve got a Thursday one more day and TJF, and, and yet it’s all just a big blur. 

[00:00:13] Jenn: [00:00:13] Does TJF mean anything anymore when there’s 

[00:00:15] Jennifer B: [00:00:15] no seven days in a row indistinguishable from each other? It really, 

[00:00:21] Jenn: [00:00:21] it really is. Well it’s Thursday and we’re back for another one of these videos that we’ve been doing weekly.

[00:00:26] This is now the seventh week. And I think that when we started this, we didn’t imagine that we would be in quarantine this long. We’re like, Oh, Hey, let’s do a few videos. Seven weeks later,

[00:00:40] Jennifer B: [00:00:40] hair adventures also happened. 

[00:00:42] Jenn: [00:00:42] Yeah. Well, we’ll just continue to watch our hair grow out and turn. Right. So that’s fun. Super fun. So we have a awesome guest today. We have teams now, James, 

[00:00:54] James: [00:00:54] are you guys. 

[00:00:57] Jenn: [00:00:57] Yes. Oh, it’s so nice to see you. [00:01:00] I just, I’m excited for this conversation as I’m excited for all the conversations we’ve been having, because I feel like you bring such a, an element of.

[00:01:07] Purpose and meaning and clarity and all those kind of great things to the table. So why don’t we just maybe start with you sharing a little bit, even just a little about yourself, just so the, those we’re watching have an idea of what you do. 

[00:01:21] James: [00:01:21] Well, first I’ll say thank you, Jen grace, and thank you, Jen Brown for hosting.

[00:01:24] This it’s so needed during this time zone. I know that you didn’t start this as kind of a quarantine program, but the value of the information that you’re sharing with the world right now, It’s so important and it’s so needed. So thank you too very much. You’re very welcome. Yeah. So a little bit about me.

[00:01:41] Um, I am CEO of Excel, global partners, very financial, uh, it consulting firm as well as a management consulting firm. And, um, that’s the not so interesting part about me, but the more interesting part is, uh, is that I’m a near. Death drowning survivor. My body was recovered from a [00:02:00] drowning accident back in 2012.

[00:02:02] Before that I grow my business and had become quite successful on paper and things that worked out pretty well for me, in terms of the extrinsic values, that society kind of tells us that, um, makes us successful in terms of, uh, clients and, uh, net worth and houses and that kind of thing. But my journey was really a wake up call for me.

[00:02:22] And, um, after two years of healing from a brain injury and from working on myself, I found a lot higher level of purpose in my life. And I began to, um, navigate business differently relationships, differently, finances and so on. So during this time of crisis, I’ve been fortunate to have been called on by a number of people, including churches.

[00:02:45] Organizations corporations to just provide some tidbits on navigating the storm or coming out on the other side of crises, uh, in a very, very positive way. I literally shifted from having a less [00:03:00] than purposeful life to creating a purposeful life. And so for all of those folks at home who are going through something right now, um, whether it’s, uh, feelings of fear or resentment or, um, uh, just a stagnation and boredom, it can be a wide range of feelings.

[00:03:18] Know that your feelings are okay. We’re going to talk about those feelings today. We’re going to talk about how to get unstuck from those feelings. We’re going to talk about the power of getting into a routine to elevate your consciousness and your mind, your body, and your spirit in such a powerful way that you come out very positively from this experience of us being a lockdown, um, knowing that our lives have been flipped and turned upside down and deconstructed from the structures that we had previously.

[00:03:47] With business and work and transportation and education and the ability to go and come as we pleased, um, things have changed a lot guys. And if there’s anything that I know it’s that, [00:04:00] um, if we change the way we look at things, the things we look at change. So for negative angry, fearful, right now we can do some work in this meeting and this conversation today.

[00:04:12] To elevate those feelings into power and to courage and to purposefulness. So that for the next X amount of weeks or months, as we’re at home in this new world, this new normal, we’re not wasting time or we’re coming out as better versions and demonstrations of ourselves. Hmm. 

[00:04:32] Jennifer B: [00:04:32] Great. I love that. Can I ask 

[00:04:35] Jenn: [00:04:35] the first question done?

[00:04:37] Yeah. 

[00:04:39] Jennifer B: [00:04:39] So James explain, I know, you know, a lot about like our brains processes and, and so much has been disrupted in our routines. Right? We’re creatures of habit. Um, and everything has been appended. So what has, what are the, the scientific basis of what has happened to Lisa that it’s important to [00:05:00] kind of acknowledge that that’s, that’s a powerful thing.

[00:05:03] Um, and then I guess, what do we need to understand about how the brain functions as it pertains to sort of up leveling out of the doldrums or the confusion or the paralysis or the low energy? Because I, I know for me, My routines, give me energy. And so anything that disrupts that expectation is I think that’s when I get either mysteriously tired, you know, or, um, and there’s just a lot of mysterious things happening for a lot of us right now, unfamiliar feelings and, and largely negative feelings.

[00:05:38] So how do we get to that place of. Making our physiology feel comfortable again with the uncertainty and living with that every day and sustaining our energy through that. Cause I think that that’s, that’s the game. This is a marathon, not a sprint. We’re going to be like this for a while. We got to learn how to, as we say, like not work in the sunshine, but work in the rain.

[00:05:58] James: [00:05:58] Yeah. It’s a [00:06:00] marathon, not a sprint. And thank you so much for sharing your feelings and your emotions and being vulnerable with us to say, you know, this is exactly how I’m feeling. Um, I just want to qualify a couple of things. I’ve been a student and a teacher of neuroscience and mental health for the past 20 years.

[00:06:14] And my mentor forensic psychiatrist, dr. Robert S. Brown for whom I served as his teaching assistant and executive administrator for the course. Uh, the most powerful thing he taught me was that James, the mind, body and spirit are connected. And he said, I’ve never treated a truly deeply depressed person or truly anxious person who broke a sweat and exercise every single day.

[00:06:35] So from a physiological perspective, We have to understand guys that the mind, the brain, uh, the spirit and the body are all connected. When something’s going wrong with the body, it’s hard to feel good spiritually or spiritually connected to the God of your understanding or to your, um, connectivity with other people or your spiritual experience on earth.

[00:06:57] If something’s going wrong emotionally, [00:07:00] it’s, it’s hard to feel good physically, if you’ve ever thought about the notion that happiness. Is expansion. Happiness is expansion. Your body feels strong, big, and tall and proud, and you’re expanding and different ways in your life. Your bank accounts growing your opportunities are growing.

[00:07:17] Your relationships are growing, but when you’re feeling bad, or if you have the flu or have a cold, you kind of a hunch up a little bit and your muscles get tight. So when I talk with people about how they’re feeling, and I asked them to check in, I say, well, don’t just check in with how you think you’re feeling, check in with your body, check in with your body.

[00:07:39] The, the intrinsic linkage between mind, body, and spirit is so powerful that the body never lies. If you’ve got a kink in your neck, if you’ve got a migraine headache, if you’ve got a sore throat, if you’ve got an eye sore, you got an upset stomach per days, something is going on. Emotionally that is involved with that process.

[00:07:59] Your [00:08:00] body’s saying, Hey. Jennifer, Jen, something’s going on right now? Let’s do something about it. Let’s reduce your stress. Let’s get more sleep. Let’s get you outside. Let’s get you walking. Let’s do something about it. It is not normal to not feel well consistently if you are a healthy person. So if you’re at home right now and you’re doing some work checking in with yourself and you’re saying, Hey, I’m watching this wonderful podcast.

[00:08:23] And James set the mind, the body of the spirit are connected. And if you’ve got a sore back, If you’re having recurring headaches, if you’re catching cold after cold, or if you’ve got something going on in your body and you really can identify what’s going on, that means you’ve got to get moving. Your body’s telling you to breathe more deeply, bring more oxygen to the brain, bring more oxygen into the body to circulate that oxygen, to cleanse the body, to get rid of some of the toxins in it.

[00:08:47] Watch what you’re eating, watch, um, the ice cream and take the unhealthy desserts and snacks and take. Focused on more plant based materials and discipline yourself because as you [00:09:00] discipline your intake with what you’re putting into your body and what you’re doing with your body, your mind elevates, and your spirit also elevates, and they’re all linked.

[00:09:10] So what we can do during this time, and I know that there’s so many podcasts and so many means and so much stuff on TV, people telling us how we should feel and what we should do that it’s all overwhelming. What we’ve got to do is check in with our bodies. Check in with our, with what our bodies are telling our minds, identify the feeling that emotion happy, ma glad said angry, fearful, identify it.

[00:09:36] You might even need to write it down and just sit with it for awhile and say, I’m going to do something about it because it’s okay to be pissed off fearful, stuck for a few hours for a day or two, but it’s not okay to be that way, to feel that way to be stuck that way for two weeks or for a month or for potentially six months.

[00:09:59] And then you look [00:10:00] back on the experience and say, wow, I had this incredible opportunity. Of investing in myself, but I didn’t know what to do. All I knew is that I felt like crap and I didn’t know what was going on. So my goal today is to help people to identify what’s going on and what you can do to get unstuck, to elevate consciousness, to create a more sustainable and richer experience through this totally unpredictable time that we’re going through right now.

[00:10:29] And I’ll shut up and say at the end of this, whatever you’re going through, that feeling is important. That emotion is important. This is a judgment free zone, but don’t get stuck there. If it’s a negative feeling, you can come out of it, you can come out of it. 

[00:10:44] Jenn: [00:10:44] So I have a, I don’t know if it’s a devil’s advocate question, point of view, but it’s more of a question.

[00:10:51] There are so many people right now. I think that we all the three of us at least have, I think healthy. Mental health regimens, if you [00:11:00] will, but I know for so long, 

[00:11:02] James: [00:11:02] can I hold on for just a second? Sure. That’s the assumption that we have for one another. Um, as someone who works in the mental health space, we don’t know what’s going on with other people with their true habits are yeah.

[00:11:14] In January, I lost three people that I know to suicide and no one who knew them would have predicted that each of these individuals would have predict would have committed suicide. We’re talking about a very, uh, one person was actually in the mental health field. As a, as a therapist, another person was a very successful CEO and another person was a drop, dead, gorgeous, uh, model, um, looking person who looked as if she had everything going on in her life.

[00:11:45] So I, I didn’t mean to stop you Jen, or to, um, um, uh, Correct you your, your flow of consciousness, but we’ve got to be aware that somebody is always going through something that we don’t know about and people have routines [00:12:00] and private things that happen within their homes that we may never know what’s going on.

[00:12:05] And they may never share with us. Our job is to provide a safe space for open conversation for them to become the best version of themselves. And it starts with this very important podcast that you and Jennifer are doing right now. 

[00:12:18] Jenn: [00:12:18] Yeah. There’s so many things that you just said. And for those that will read my memoir, that will be coming out soon.

[00:12:24] Everything that you just said, both of you. Yeah. You too know 

[00:12:28] James: [00:12:28] stories 

[00:12:30] Jenn: [00:12:30] really hit the, hit the nail on the head. I know, I know both of you very well. So I know that at least the two of you have good practices. I feel like I have a good practice, but I’m thinking about. The people that like, so comfort eating is honestly where I was going, where I was thinking.

[00:12:48] And I’m not, I’m not a comfort eater. I’m not a comfort cooker, but there are so many people right now where the only way they’re able to find some kind of solace is going back to unhealthy [00:13:00] habits in so many ways. So what is your advice for somebody who, you know, their default pandemic shopping was to go out and buy?

[00:13:08] Yeah. 

[00:13:08] Jennifer B: [00:13:08] All sorts of crap 

[00:13:09] Jenn: [00:13:09] that they normally wouldn’t eat because that’s just kind of like something that’s deep seated and rooted in kind of in who we are. And now they’re just cooking huge quantities of food all the time. And I’m not saying that’s bad or wrong, but like what know, how would you, how would you help somebody in that kind of situation where that’s kind of what, they’re, what, they’re, how they’re dealing with things right now.

[00:13:31] James: [00:13:31] It’s human and I’ll begin by, um, uh, stating that, you know, this is a safe space of non-judgment it’s human. For me, someone who does this work on a daily basis, meditating, journaling, exercising, watching my diet, um, helping others to stay elevated in their consciousness. I had a rough first week. Um, I was eating garbage.

[00:13:52] I was exercising less. I was, um, not checking in with myself the way that I should have been when I went to journal during my dedicated journaling [00:14:00] time, I would write, you know, short statements that wouldn’t go as deeply into my consciousness or unpack some of the issues that I was dealing with because it was a time of such change that I was shifting into those old habits.

[00:14:13] So whenever we’re, um, uh, Uh, going through periods of high stress. The mind’s natural response is to let me comfort this person with the food, the alcohol, the drugs, the sex, the whatever you can find online, that shopping all those things to, to help him or her get through this. And so that’s kind of that fight or flight response that we go into.

[00:14:37] You know, we can’t fight, we can’t fight, but we can, we can certainly eat. We can certainly eat. We can certainly drink a lot of alcohol. We can certainly sleep in and lose structure in our days. And then eventually by week two or week three, we realized, wow, my life is spinning out of control. So what this is about today is doing an honest assessment with oneself saying, Hey, let me check in with myself to see.

[00:14:59] Am [00:15:00] I, uh, uh, not as disciplined as I should be not going to beat myself up about it, not going to, um, uh, uh, sit on this for too long, but Hey, I learned today that I’ve got an issue and I’ve got a lot that I can do about it. And the way we pivot that is to identify the truth, the truth of what the problem is, except that there’s a problem.

[00:15:23] And then except that we’re responsible and we have to come up with a plan to Cochran. I’ll use alcohol for an example. I do mental health moments on social media, where I’ll put a video vignettes, trying to encourage people to have healthy habits throughout the COVID-19 crisis. And my team for my firm actually works on pulling these videos together and they put a lot of work into it because it’s got a lot of great content it’s all over.

[00:15:47] Um, my different Facebook and Instagram and whatever, uh, LinkedIn too. But. One thing that I encourage people to do is if you feel that you’re moving into a healthy and unhealthy pattern, write it down. [00:16:00] For example, uh, you can’t help, but check onto social media and see where people are. Uh, you know, creating funny memes about starting drinking at eight 30 in the day, or, you know, it’s five o’clock somewhere, but it’s new here.

[00:16:14] That was fine in week one, but we’ve got to change that energy. And how do we do it? We right down by our liquor cabinet or by our refrigerator, exactly what we’re eating or what we’re drinking during the day. And we visit that list at the end of the day. And if we look at that list and say, Oh, Houston, we’ve got a problem.

[00:16:33] We’ve got a problem. That means that tomorrow you get to wake up and you get to do some work around and say, Hey, I had five drinks today. I’m going to have one drink tomorrow. I’m going to have zero drinks for one. I’m going to take a step back. Or I, I ate that entire cake or that entire, uh, pint of ice cream.

[00:16:52] Can’t believe I did it. I need to move on, but I’m not going to do it going forward. Also a healthy habit [00:17:00] is as we order our food and purchase our food, if you don’t have it in the house, you’re not going to consume it. So for myself and my husband, we decided that we’re going to buy a lot more green stuff, healthy greens and kale.

[00:17:14] And I’m actually just finished eating a bowl of, uh, uh, greens. I’m from the South. We eat greens every Sunday in itself, but we, uh, cook greens, um, a couple of times a week and we’ll have salads a couple of times a week and we move away from me because there’s a lower vibrational frequency in that meat energetically than that, which is from a plant that comes from the earth.

[00:17:34] Versus, and this is not to get into an ethical argument versus an animal’s soul that actually walked on this earth. And so as we’re putting these clean materials into our bodies, our mind and our spirit are fed with cleansing materials and we’re reading our bodies of toxins. Our bodies eliminating waste more easily.

[00:17:51] We are breaking a sweat. We’re sweating those toxins out of us. And before we know it, we’re moving into a higher level of consciousness in which we are [00:18:00] returning to our routines of waking up at the same time each day. Getting into our habits of prayer, meditation, journaling, yoga, exercise, walking around the block, those things more consistently every single day, then going to bed around the same time, every time, every single day.

[00:18:17] And at the end of that day, we can say, Wow. I was a good demonstration of a good example of myself today. 

[00:18:28] Jenn: [00:18:28] There’s so much to all of this, Jen, where’s your mind going 

[00:18:32] Jennifer B: [00:18:32] as we’re kind of inventorying my, my, my choices, 

[00:18:38] James: [00:18:38] big topic guys. 

[00:18:42] Jennifer B: [00:18:42] Yeah. Um, one thing I’ve been thinking about is our culture is very. Like self-oriented right.

[00:18:48] And I think we’re discovering the, that self care as it’s become known is obviously really important. Put our oxygen mask on first, all those things, [00:19:00] but the risk, the, the resilience we can develop in communities really powerful too. And. So I would encourage the, that whenever you can have joint goals with other people right now, the accountability works really well for some of us.

[00:19:15] Um, the checking in, I have a group of friends who I used to work out with with certain teachers at the gym, and now we do their classes online on Instagram and that text to say, Hey, am I going to see you? Am I going to see you online in 10 minutes? Make me put my sneakers on, you know, When I really want to take a nap.

[00:19:36] And so one of my favorite things is, is, um, the pay it’s like, sometimes you have to actually ignore what your body is telling you that it’s tired, but that’s not actually true. You have like, you have a lot more energy than you think. And I’ve learned that about myself. If I’m in a slump, don’t get into the slump, push through the slump.

[00:19:55] Into something else. And often you’ll forget about the sun. It was, it was like, but some things sort of [00:20:00] biochemically changes. Um, I’m sure that their endorphins start to go, which is so critical, right? That feeling of wellbeing that we generate with exercise. So 

[00:20:09] James: [00:20:09] dopamine feels the reward center, the happiness, you know, the hardest part of going to the gym is actually, you know, getting to the gym.

[00:20:18] Was saying, you know, I’m going to get out of the house and get to the gym right now. We don’t have the privilege of going to the gym. We’ve got gyms at our houses. We can use our own body weight, all kinds of online tutorials for learning how to do yoga, learning how to do a push up properly. We can set challenges for ourselves to get that reward center in our brains actually going.

[00:20:37] And once we get, you know, several of those things going every single day, we think, wow, you know, I’ve got this really cool experience. Whether I’m single here alone, or I’m with my partner, uh, creating some kind of challenge for us, but that brain will reward you with so much richness in ways that alcohol, which, uh, affects the GABA receptor receptors in the brain will not.

[00:20:58] Or some of the other [00:21:00] substances that we use will not. And the good thing about them is that they’re consistent. I want to, I want to go back to a point that you made Jennifer about us being in a self-oriented kind of self-focused kind of culture. And that’s true. If you look at our culture versus certain European cultures or South Americans, South American central American cultures, um, I just got back from Australia, right?

[00:21:20] As coronavirus was, uh, Um, inflaming. Um, I learned there that they’re much more social than we are. They commit to time to just connect with friends face to face and to laugh and to do what guests just chill and do nothing. We are an overworked, um, obsessive, uh, uh, addictive, uh, pressure cooking type society that is focused on the extrinsic values that.

[00:21:49] We’re very much in my life prior to my accident in 2012. But I think there presents a real opportunity for us to create something new, that [00:22:00] system going forward for us and our households that says, you know what, the way that I was functioning previously, that might’ve been society’s way of functioning.

[00:22:09] But I’m not going to return to that. It’s such richness and experiences with neighbors and families and my husband. And I imagine with your significant others or family members that we’ve got to find ways to not return to that. Now you also mentioned self care, self care means to me that you care for yourself first so that you can care for others.

[00:22:35] You know, if you’re on the airplane, the flight attendant tells you and they’ve been able to emergency the mask will come down, put your mask on first and then assist your neighbor. That’s what we’ve got to do. We’ve got to get into alignment and centeredness with ourselves so we can care for others.

[00:22:50] It’s not healthy. If we don’t care for ourselves, if we don’t take the time to learn how to breathe, to meditate, to slow down so we can get [00:23:00] things right to care for others so that we can move more into a purposeful direction with our lives. Instead of you know, saying, I’ve got to do this, I’ve got to do that.

[00:23:10] I’ve got to get this new client. I got to do this. I got to get to make this amount of money. I’ve got to have this house. I’ve got to have these certain types of friends. Let’s release that for now. And let’s focus on enriching. Ourselves so that we can help our neighbors and help our children. And sometimes I’ll, I’ll work with someone and I’ll ask them, you know, when was the last time you sat down at dinner with your family, your spouse, your kids, and you asked them, how are you feeling and had a real conversation around it.

[00:23:40] We don’t know how to talk about feelings. And we feel as if, when we talk about feelings, they can sometimes be an expression of weakness. If I’m fine or I’m happier, I’m good is not the outcome of that conversation. True story. Friend of mine, share with me a photo [00:24:00] of a tattoo that an individual had on her arm when she was looking at it, that tattoo said help me.

[00:24:07] So coming in this direction it’s said help me. It was in cursive, but when the world looked at it, it said, I’m fine. Same script, same letters. It was just cursively done so that, um, it said help me when she was looking at it, but it said I’m fine when everybody else is looking at it. So when people tell us that I’m okay, I’m good.

[00:24:30] I’m fine. That’s an opening for a greater conversation. I’m fine. To me simply means that. That might be a call for help me. That might be a call for a deeper conversation. Now this whole social distancing thing, I don’t know why they chose the words social distance, and when it should have been physical distancing, social distancing is the wrong, um, moniker for what I believe should be happening [00:25:00] right now, we should keep our physical space, but we should go even deeper.

[00:25:02] Socially social distancing to me means that that’s just a keyword, a code for going deeper. Going deeper. Let us take this opportunity as a time for us to go deeper with our friends, our neighbors, our loved ones. And to also check on people who we don’t know if those folks are doing well or not, or if the I’m fine or I’m okay here.

[00:25:27] I’m good. Um, might seem a little bit off to you because there’s a lot going on right now. Folks rules have been deconstructed and it’s up to us to ask deeper questions. Um, finally, I’ll say that, um, you mentioned an accountability partner. We need accountability partners more than ever for folks on this podcast.

[00:25:50] If you don’t have an accountability partner for goals that you set out for this lockdown, quarantine period, you’re doing yourself a [00:26:00] disservice. When you say something out loud, when you write it down, when you share it with another person, it’s a hundred times more likely to come true than if you just say, Hey, I’m going to cut back on drinking.

[00:26:11] I’m going to know, try to maintain my weight during lockdown, or I’m trying to try to lose two to five pounds during lockdown, or I’m going to try to do X, Y, or Z. You write it down. You say it out loud, you share with somebody, you have an accountability partner, you put a date around it. You do some work around that and guess what?

[00:26:25] It’s more likely to come true. So let’s deconstruct these false notions that we can operate as islands, islands on our own and be successful on our own. That’s not what this is all about. The, the, the happiness that we have in our lives is directly proportionate. To the quality of the human relationships that we have in our lives.

[00:26:51] And if you ain’t got no good quality relationships in your life, you’re not going to be a happy person. It’s just as simple as that. If you don’t have accountability partners, if you don’t have buddies, if you don’t have folks [00:27:00] that you can check in with, if you don’t have, you can do work with around issues, it’s going to be really, really hard to be happy.

[00:27:07] So just remember, it might feel a little bit awkward to reach out to a person and say, Hey, can we do FaceTime or. I’m feeling distant or lonely because I’m used to working in an office and laughing with people or having, you know, these high paced meetings and getting these deliverables across the line and feeling part of a team feeling lonely.

[00:27:24] So can I check in, because what we know coming out of this podcast is happiness is directly proportionate to the quality of human relationships that you have in your life. And if you don’t have those relationships and you’re not connecting, guess what? Thank goodness we have internet. And zoom and stream yard and WebEx and Facebook and all these things as you do.

[00:27:48] So watch out for garbage out there as well, because it can have 10 times as much impact as the positive stuff. So filter it out. Unfriend block, you know, go on pause with [00:28:00] certain folks who are posting negative stuff. Nourish your mind with positivity and do so with folks who will help you to fly even higher as accountability partners, folks who you trust folks, who you love, folks who you will help to lift even higher as well.

[00:28:16] Jenn: [00:28:16] That’s okay. So there’s so much, so much stuff happening. I want to make sure that we have, cause we’re already coming to the close of our conversation. We’ve hit up mind. We’ve talked about body and I would love to talk about the spirit piece of it. Just for a couple of minutes. I’m curious if there’s any Jen, even if you have anything spirit related, that’s kind of a 

[00:28:37] Jennifer B: [00:28:37] questioner.

[00:28:39] Jenn: [00:28:39] Thought process where, you know, what, what might be going on for you right now? 

[00:28:43] Jennifer B: [00:28:43] Oh, wow. I don’t know, Jen. Um, well, the spirit I’m finding now is, I mean, I’ve always said that my work with diversity and inclusion feels very spiritual for me. You know, the work of equality feels really has always [00:29:00] felt to me like a deep, deep sort of belief system that sustains me.

[00:29:05] So the way I’ve gotten in touch with spirit in a time of great uncertainty is by gathering my community. For example on the calls I’ve been having twice a week with other folks who are, who I know are passionate about this stuff. And we all chat about how are we keeping this dream alive? How are we keeping this work alive?

[00:29:25] How are we giving back? You know, how are we, um, how are we maintaining our oxygen masks at the same time as a lot of us hold up this whole conversation for a lot of people, right? And like some of us massive organizations, you know, we are the point person for belonging. In a workplace like, like I wasn’t ever candy, but you know that those are the sorts of expectations we have and our roles.

[00:29:48] So, um, I, I consider it a very. Very Holy task to be entrusted with. And that feels really spiritual to me because it [00:30:00] feels like obviously you both know me. My purpose here is to do that. So that very much, it feels like a spiritual practice to be in community, to stay close to that community, to represent voices, to make sure some of us are heard, um, and to guide organizations.

[00:30:19] I mean there, it’s a really, actually when I think about it and I’m not in a down place, I actually am very creative right now. I’m very. I don’t know about you, James, but I’m very, I’m pretty stimulated right now. I’m learning a lot. I’m listening a lot. I’m broadening my understanding. I’m adding like tons of examples that maybe I’d thought of before, but many that I haven’t because as a teacher, I’m gathering everything because that’s part of my, what I do in the world.

[00:30:47] So anyway, it’s, it’s a very rich time. It’s a really fertile time. And I think that if I were struggling with that depression piece where I felt unmotivated or paralyzed, um, I would be missing a lot of the [00:31:00] gifts of this moment. Um, and I’m, I’m so grateful. So that’s yet another reason I think James, why you’ve got to stay sober and I’m me not broadly.

[00:31:10] Sober and healthy to notice and listen and learn what we need to learn right now, because there’s a lot of lessons happening. And, but if you’re numbing out or you’re absent, you’re not picking it up. 

[00:31:23] James: [00:31:23] So, 

[00:31:24] Jennifer B: [00:31:24] you know, That would be a waste, I think, cause there’s, there’s a lot happening right now. That’s really important.

[00:31:30] James: [00:31:30] Now mother nature is doing a lot of healing work right now, so powerful. I can go outside and it’s almost, you can hear a pin drop. Whereas I had airplanes flying above me and cars going up and down the street and motorcycles, making all kinds of noise. It’s an opportunity for us to go within and to center ourselves.

[00:31:47] I know we’re running out of time, but have you both heard from folks who say, you know, I don’t have time to meditate. I would learn how to do meditation, but I don’t have time to learn how to do that. I don’t have time to meditate. That’s the biggest crock [00:32:00] of bullshit that I’ve ever heard in my entire life.

[00:32:02] When you invest in yourself, that gives you, that gives you the fodder that you need, the food that you need to. Go forth in the world with your purpose. And when you go forth in the world with your purpose, helping others for whatever your ministry is, it can be diversity and inclusiveness. It can be, uh, being an executive coach to high pressure executives.

[00:32:28] It can be publishing, powerful, meaningful books that help to elevate the consciousness, the collective consciousness of this world. When you move into that into your true purpose and your true power, it’s magical. Spiritually healing happens when you stop thinking about yourself and you start giving yourself to the world.

[00:32:49] So we talked about self care, but I don’t want self care to be misunderstood as going to the spa or just focusing on yourself and doing your nails and fixing your hair and, you know, doing face masks all day long or [00:33:00] laying around on the sofa. That’s not self care. Self care is caring for yourself, this inviolable centeredness of yourself, so that you can tap into your purpose to serve the world.

[00:33:12] And as you do so there’s a healing that takes place in the mind. In the body, but it comes up most as a spiritual healing and you begin to manifest more energy. You begin to manifest creativity and you enter into this state of flow and consciousness in your life where you’re like, wow. I reconstructed myself from a deconstructed experience.

[00:33:38] And I elevated myself from experiencing something that could have brought out the worst in me, but I chose to bring out the best in me. This is something that we can all do and the spiritual part. Oh my gosh. It’s so rich. It’s so beautiful. Do it. If you can. 

[00:33:57] Jennifer B: [00:33:57] Awesome. 

[00:34:00] [00:34:00] Jenn: [00:34:00] Thank you for joining us. 

[00:34:04] Jennifer B: [00:34:04] Okay. 

[00:34:05] Jenn: [00:34:05] So we have your information below this video, and people can find the video in a multitude of places at this point, but you know, in the it’s been scrolling along the bottom the whole time, but they can go to James nelson.com.

[00:34:17] I’m sure. And find all the things about you. Correct. 

[00:34:20] James: [00:34:20] And they can find a free gratitude list to James. Now, linda.com/gratitude, where they can write out the things that they’re grateful for. Gratitude is one of the highest vibrational energies. And if you’re feeling like you’re stuck, uh, do a little something to get yourself unstuck.

[00:34:37] If you, if you feel like maybe some of the messaging was a little murky in this podcast, you might not be able to get started. Just write out a gratitude list. Just sit down, print that list out. James nelson.com/gratitude. It’s free. Download it. Close your eyes. Go to your private corner in your home. Now, put the pets away, put the kids in the other room or after, after they’ve gone to sleep [00:35:00] and just focus on what am I truly grateful for?

[00:35:03] Because the line. Consciously has a way of focusing on a negative focusing on the struggles, but there are thousands thousands of things that we can write on that list. We’ve just got to pivot that energy is today. We’ve been able to help people with pivoting that energy from possibly being stuck, to moving into a higher vibration.

[00:35:25] And I think that vibration can begin with gratitude. We’re still here, right? We’re still alive. Right? So we’ve got a 100% success rate. Write that down. That can be one you can write down on that gratitude list. Hmm, 

[00:35:37] Jenn: [00:35:37] good stuff. All right. Well, Jen, we will be back next week. Have been again, as we started by saying this are, you know, I don’t know that we thought we would be in quarantine for as long as we are, and I think we’re going to be in it for an extended period of time.

[00:35:55] So. There’ll be no shortage of our conversations in the coming weeks. [00:36:00] That’s for sure, 

[00:36:00] Jennifer B: [00:36:00] indeed. And I hope, I hope you all are, are excited about that prospect. It’s fun to just actually use one, 

[00:36:08] Jenn: [00:36:08] honestly. Do you want it for our own benefit 

[00:36:10] Jennifer B: [00:36:10] really? When you really are. 

[00:36:13] Jenn: [00:36:13] We started just by chatting. We’re like, yeah, we’ll go 

[00:36:14] James: [00:36:14] down there.

[00:36:16] And I think all three of us are going to be elevated from having shared some of our knowledge with the world and helping others. 

[00:36:22] Jennifer B: [00:36:22] That’s right. All day. Awesome. Take care of yourself. Yes.