Welcome to episode 15 of Publish Your Purpose: An Author’s Journey.

In this episode we cover –

  • The top strategies of how and/or who to write for
  • Being kind to ourselves; give yourself a break – you’re doing a great job
  • PYP Academy
  • Defining roadblocks in the process and how to remove them
  • Accountability
  • Overcoming rejection
  • Vulnerability and keys to success

The Publish Your Purpose Podcast: An Author’s Journey features the unique relationship between an author and their publisher. This podcast follows author, Mark David Gibson, through the publishing process of his memoir “Served in Silence.” Alongside him you’ll hear from Publish Your Purpose Press Founder and CEO, Jenn T. Grace, as she navigates Mark through this journey. This authentic, empathetic, and at times comedic duo will take you on the journey from having an idea in your head to holding a book in your hands. You’ll go through all of the emotional ups and downs with Mark as this podcast covers his experience in real time. You’ll learn how to be better prepared when you set out to write your story. Whether you are writing a memoir or any non-fiction where a piece of your story is shared, you’ll be better equipped for success after having listened to this show.

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Publish Your Purpose

Episode 15

Mark: We have a special guest with us. Jean, it is so great to see you. Jean and I go back to earlier in the summer, as attendees to the Purpose Driven Publishing Authors Academy. We got to spend 14 weeks together and it really was very memorable and magical. We got to get down in the trenches together. We’re super excited to have you here today Jean, and to talk to another aspiring author on this author’s journey podcast. Really getting down into the weeds of the mindset of an author. Good Morning! How are you?

Jean: I am terrific. Thank you for having me. It’s so fun. I feel like I’m back in class with you together. That’s a lot of fun. I’m so admiring your progress. So, thank you for having me today.

Mark: Absolutely. It’s like old home week at school.

Jean: Yes. Lot of fun.

Mark: Well fantastic. As Jenn is behind the curtain and getting us all set up, we’ll kick it back over to Jenn.

Jenn: I do believe we are fully functional and live on Facebook now. I think this might be the first one we’ve gone live with, without any technical issues. Which is awesome. Knock on wood for a moment.

Mark: Do you have the all the record buttons going?

Jenn: Yes, everything is saying record, so I think we’re good.

I am so excited to have Jean on today. You two were in the Academy together over the summer. Toward the end of the session, around week 13, we ended up getting on the big old topic about mindset and being a recovering perfectionist. And perfectionism, a big topic of yours Jean, definitely came up throughout the time in the Academy, and then we just got on this brilliant conversation. It was one of those things… we have to have you come on, now that we have a podcast. Just kinda share some of those tips and talking about mindset. I think that, generally, mindset is probably THE most important thing to have straight and really understand what you’re getting into when you’re writing and publishing a book. I know that we were brainstorming a little bit before-hand but Mark, I want to have you guide this conversation. Since the two of you were peers in the Academy together and then both learning so much from each other.

Mark: It really was amazing to learn the mechanics; to learn the logistics, throughout the Academy, in the publishing process. In the meantime, it was almost like there were three different tracks that were going at the same time. Because all of us, in the Academy, you have to write. It’s great that you’re learning about all of the other things that go into publishing, but if you’re not writing, then you have nothing to publish. So, it’s that house of cards effect again. I think that we really leaned on each other and learned from each other.

I know I learned a great deal about how to get it out of here [indicates head] and clear the brain fog and get the mindset in the proper place to get it out of here, and get it on to paper. You’re going to learn several different strategies and tools, that are available in the Academy. Not any one of them is right. Not any one of them is 100% perfect. They’re all right, not that they’re perfect. And what I was able to do is take little pieces and parts of those tools and then create my own.

Jean, maybe you can speak to it, with regards to some of the tools, like the block writing. I had never even heard of that and I thought that was brilliant. I guess I just go blind. When I’m all in, I’m like “Okay, go this direction.” I’m like “Okay, I’ll do it, I’ll try it. Holy cow, that actually works!” That’s pretty fantastic.

As we’re talking about mindset (I was thinking about it this morning as well), that we have all of the barriers of day to day life that we have to get through to actually get to the desk, and it’s exhausting to actually even get there. Truthfully, if you actually do some of these things, and exercise some of these tools that were given, it really works everybody.

I’ve said it a couple of times before (when we have had our awesome guests), prepare… grab your pen, grab your pencil and get ready to write down some of the nuggets of success as another budding author tells you how we’re going to get it done. Over to you Jean.

Jean: I have to say it was great fun to be in the Academy with you. I think the other thing is that we both came at it from a different place. For anyone who is thinking “can I write a book?”… I think Steven Bresco said “Begin before you totally feel ready because if you wait until you’re totally ready, you’ll probably never begin.”

I write a blog, I coach, I do these things. People keep saying “well you should put it together.” I resisted it. I’m not ready. I don’t have it all organized. That may be a little bit of that perfection thing kicking in. I consider myself a recovering perfectionist but I do have relapses. When it came to writing a book, that was part of it.

For me it was to sign up for the class and see what happens. I was not as successful with really being singularly focused on “I’m writing every day.” I started with great intentions. Sometimes I had a spurt of real clarity and energy and things were coming along. And then I would go away, or travel and then I would get off that schedule.

Part of the lesson for me, true in life as in writing, is to have that resilience to keep coming back. When you feel like you’ve fallen off the wagon there, it’s not a deal breaker. You can recover. It’s somewhat like coming back to class. Having that structure of -once a week, I’m focused on this book. And, even if I didn’t get everything done, and I didn’t do it perfectly, I am still making progress. Sometimes we get so down a rabbit hole of beating ourselves up, and being so hard on ourselves with that all or nothing ‘if I didn’t do it, I failed. I might as well just give up right now. Throw in the towel. This is too hard. I can’t do it.’ Instead of saying ‘okay, I didn’t know half the stuff that I learned in 6 weeks, 6 weeks ago! So, I’m making progress. I’ve outlined something. I’m making progress.’

A lot of times we minimize the success or progress we’ve made and we’re just looking at the distance of all we haven’t done. I don’t know if that was your experience as well? Is there some of that going on?

Mark: One of the lessons we did, in the block writing anyway, I thought it was very powerful if… people that are watching or listening, and you’re a budding author, take some of these examples and try them and see if they work because I was very surprised that I was able to sit at the keyboard and just type; just write the thoughts and get them out on paper. Because even Jenn instructs in the Academy, don’t worry about spelling is wrong, or spacing is wrong. Just do it.

[Jenn – note… reference block writing several times. There’s nothing to tell the listener specifically what block writing is. It’s okay if that makes them contact you to find out. Or join the academy. Or go research it. Or get it by inference. But just letting you know that there’s nothing that specifically says what it is in this interview.]

Jenn: It’s so hard!

Mark: It really is because we are such perfectionists. We’ve got to go back. And then you might miss that golden nugget of something you were just going to write because “oh, I before E, except after C”

Jean: Totally

Mark: It’s exhausting, right?

Jean: Right

Mark: So then, maybe my mind wasn’t, I couldn’t retrain myself so I figured I would sneak up on myself and this is what I learned. I went ahead and just recorded it. And I did voice to text. Now that’s going to be all over the place. That’s a huge train-wreck when it’s all over the place, but at least I was able to do it. And so, I don’t know, you can talk about (we’d like to give out some of these nuggets of information), that when you try them, can you talk about how you feel or what you felt like when you got into that sweet spot where you’re like “okay, here I am. I’ve cleared the battle space, I’m in the mindset, look at me folks I’m actually doing it. I’m actually writing.” And what that feels like so that way you can repeat that process. Can you talk a little about what that looked like? You just mentioned it. Life happens, right? We make all of these great plans but then we didn’t figure on the car breaking down or it’s 38 degrees when I am going to go. Who said I was going to go for this run anyway at 38 degrees. It was 50 when I made that decision. You know what I mean? Is there any way you can talk to what that feels like when you finally “Ahhhhh, a minute, I’m writing.”

Jean: I think one of the beautiful things about the group and having people to bounce ideas off of, is when you feel stuck and you know I just can’t get this written. For me, I was getting stuck on… I don’t have a title. This didn’t feel right. I need a title. I need a title. One of the strategies Jenn had said was to just write like you’re doing a blog. If one of your chapters is on perfectionism, just write about perfectionism and just do that by itself. That was liberating. I don’t have to figure out exactly the flow from beginning to end. I don’t have to know the exact transition from chapter to chapter. I can just write about something that I know very well.

Having lived it, I can tell my story about that. I can bring in other people’s stories and some knowledge about that. That was one thing that felt really great. I don’t have to have all the answers in order to do this. They’ll come. You don’t need them all at once. That was one that was great.

Another tip was when I was having trouble doing my opening and getting some clarity around that, she said write to one person. We do work on what’s our target audience and we go into depth on that, but sometimes I have so many pieces to it, it can create a little fuzziness when I’m trying to write to all these different things; all these different elements. Just think of a person. I picked a client of mine. The greatest client I ever had. She’s the person I’m writing to.

And that put me into a flow. I am not trying to write for a mass audience. I’m not trying to write something that’s perfect. I’m just writing to her.

Mark: Yeah

Jean: It’s almost like you’re writing a letter or note to someone. That, to me, is that really personal thing that goes on. I think at the end of the day, as authors, that’s what we’re trying to do. We’re trying to connect with people. Taking from the abstract and bringing it in to – well this is just one person I’m having a conversation with. Of course, we want our book to go to lots of people, but that helped in terms of writing, and getting un-stuck, past something. Give yourself that permission we’ve talked about and break it down to that place where it’s simple enough; it’s enough of a baby step that you can do it. We’re not looking at having to do everything but we can take this one step and that’s going to move us along. Those are two strategies that work well for me.

Mark: That’s awesome. And I can also relate to… I didn’t write to a person. I was so critical on myself, that it was blocking me from actually even doing anything. When I finally realized that I didn’t have to jump ahead to what the result was going to be, I could focus on writing.

Jean: I think when we get into that self-criticism it’s so destructive. Something happens, we miss a day of writing, we can say ‘okay, I missed a day of writing, I’m going to get back. Maybe I’ll do a little extra today but, in any case, I’m going to get back to writing.’ So then, it’s not a great big deal; we’re not beating ourselves up. But most of us don’t do that. Most of us say ‘oh my god, look what I did. How am I going to get this done?’ How do you feel when you talk to yourself that way? We talk to ourselves the way we would never talk to a friend. Like if it happened to you, I’d be like “Mark, it’s okay. Don’t be so hard on yourself, you can do this.” But when it’s us, we get into this really negative self talk. And then it shuts us down. It makes us feel like “oh, I really can’t do this.” We never totally get free of that. It’s just recognizing what we are doing and saying “okay, I get this. I’ve seen this before. I know how this goes.” And calling yourself on it. I can choose this thought. Which way am I going to go? Am I going to go down that spiral where I’m going to get all negative and I’m stuck or am I going to practice a little compassion and forgiveness on yourself and say “okay, it’s okay, move on.” I think that’s the thing – to recognize what you’re doing; to have that self awareness, so that you can make a different decision.

Mark: I’m coming to camp out in your office during this editing phase. I love it!

Jean: Yeah, yeah. We all need that. At the end of the day we’re purpose driven authors so we’re trying to help people – spreading that message of helping –

and we don’t do it to ourselves. What is the disconnect there? That’s a really big thing. And when we’re telling our stories, whatever you’re doing in your book, you’re bringing part of yourself to it and it can feel, to me, really vulnerable.

Mark: Oh yah

Jean: Then we worry about judgment. What are people going to think? That could be a big thing that can make us pull back and really resist the process. I look at myself and I’ve done it. I know it’s a way of hiding a little bit and feels safer. If I don’t really do this, it’s never going to be out there for people to see it, and I won’t feel like someone can judge me. My story. My words. My message. That’s a big piece. I love Renee Brand who talks about vulnerability. Sharing your stories is what you need to do. That’s how you get to freedom and courage. That’s a good reminder, for me.

Mark: We talked, just recently in another episode, about that relationship with the editor. And how vitally important it is. Because if you don’t have that relationship with your publisher, at least from my perspective, and that relationship with the editor, that they know what we were just talking about – how hard that you’re being on yourself. And they don’t belittle that. They understand that that’s very real. That’s a very important thing that’s going on in your life. But they’re able to talk you off the ledge and, not coddle you, but provide that safety net, I know that this is super important to you right now Mark, but in the big scheme of things, you’re okay. Here, let me put my arm around you…

Jenn: Virtual hug

Jean: We all need that, right?

Mark: Just a hug and you’re going to be okay. It really isn’t that bad. But they realize that it is super critical and if you don’t have that relationship, if you just have editor that’s like “Suck it up buttercup; just drive on and I need fifty more words.” Well nobody wins then.

Jean: in my experience, most people are not motivated by a lot of harsh criticism.

The other way around, it’s like “Okay, I hear you, things got off track, whatever happens, but you can do this.” And that is far more motivating than someone that is like “I don’t care. You’re either in or you’re out. Get it done.” And that is typically not very motivating. You need a little push but it’s like carrying a stick – but you need a little support as well. You need both. I think it’s a matter of delivery. I know when somebody is really critical and yelling at me, I’m shutting down. I’m not doing my best work.

Mark: Yeah. Boot camp probably would not have been the greatest adventure [for you].

Jean: No, I admire you for being in the military. I know I would not have been… I would have been Private Benjamin or something. I would have been the one that wasn’t following orders well

Jenn: What I’m loving right now, and I’m being quieter than usual, but what I’m loving is watching the two of you interacting, because this is literally how it was in the Academy. I would say something and it would just prompt some kind of spark between the two of you and I feel like it’s so obvious Jean that you are a coach. We didn’t even really say what you do at the top of this, so maybe now is a good time to interject, because I feel like your skill set is coming through really loud and clear.

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Jean: I am a coach. I work mostly with women. We work on what do you really want? What’s getting in your way? That’s the whole mindset piece and then how do we create the plan to do it. But I wasn’t always a coach.

I began work in finance and went into advertising; got an MBA. Did a lot of strategic work. Moved into non-profit. And then hit a point where I said “you know, life is good but I feel like there’s something missing; there’s more for me.” I went to a coach and the first thing she said to me is “you’re so determined. You’re kind of grim here. It’s like you’re not having any fun.” But what the hell? I’m here because I want a strategic plan. I want this, I want that. And you’re telling me to go have fun? What’s that about?

Mark: Where’s the plan for fun?

Jean: You know; but it was such good advice. I would say the same thing when you’re writing a book. When you get so grim and determined – it takes all the joy out of it. And yes, there will be challenges, and yes it will be hard, but I try to say “how can I make this a little bit fun?” Remembering that story, that was fun. That’s something I can laugh about, not that they’re not all funny stories but there is something there. It actually was quite brilliant because it was that permission again to step back and just say… you can’t solve a problem with the same thing (I think it was Einstein who said this) that got you there in the first place and so by taking that step back, and going and doing something that shook up my brain and got me thinking in a different way, I could come back with a fresh look at things. I think the same can be said for your writing. If

you’re feeling really stuck and something doesn’t seem to be working, stepping away from it and coming back with new energy can really revitalize you.

I will get that from the group when we have a call and I see it in other people. Someone says “Honestly this week was a disaster” and I say “I’m right there with you sister!” I think that everybody leaves the call feeling that I’m in a better place than when I started. If I was stuck, I got some energy. If I felt great, people are cheering me on for that. A lot of the life lessons apply to writing a book.

Jenn: You’re in the Academy now – what’s funny is that before we went live with this, you had mentioned that this is your coming out; your “Hey I’m writing a book.” And it didn’t even cross my mind that we’d be putting you on the spot like that but hooray, here we are. It’s fantastic that I think that you said yes, even with that fear of “Shit, I am telling world I am working on this; I am doing this.” You’re practicing what you preach and you’re walking your walk, and talking your talk, which I think is fantastic too.

Jean: I thought it was so funny. I’m thinking to myself “Is this very Machiavellian? They’ve got this master plan. If we put her on the air, she’s going to have to get it done!” [all laughing] I was thinking the universe was speaking to me – like step up and do it.

I’m happy to be here. It is true. It’s that feeling of vulnerability. If I say it, then I really have to follow through. It’s another method of accountability. The timing was right for me to say “Okay, let’s get on air. Let’s talk about it.”

I am in the Academy again. Different group, different dynamic. But everybody goes at their own pace; everybody’s got their own story. Each one has a unique value because nobody can tell your story the way you can. Even if so many people have talked about how you deal with setbacks, how you deal with perfectionism, that’s all over the place but nobody says it quite the way you do or has the stories that talk about it. Certain people will need to hear it the way you deliver it. I think that for an author that’s really true. Some people it’s not going to resonate but there will be those people that are waiting for your book.

Mark: I don’t know about you guys, but why is it that “accountability” is almost like salt to the wound? It’s like a bad word. But once I got through it, it’s very powerful as well. I started to really see a lot of movement in my thought process, my mindset, my strategy is doing seems like a simple exercise from the teacher in the Academy, hey I want you to proclaim this out on Facebook. “There is no way that I am putting that on Facebook! Are you crazy, lady?” and I’m really glad that I did. I don’t know why, don’t know if you guys have ever experienced this either. I’m ashamed to admit it… As a previous smoker, you

don’t want to tell someone that you quit smoking because it’s like “what if I don’t?” What if I have another cigarette? It’s like “No, I don’t want to have another cigarette. I’m an ex-smoker.” It’s that same mindset that I have that what if I tell people I’m writing a book? Well I’ve been telling people I’ve been working on this thing for years…what’s the difference?

Jean: We all want to be accepted. We all want to be loved. We’re thinking that if I put it out there and people reject it, that’s going to feel terrible. I don’t want to put myself in that place. I think it’s really easy to rationalize and hide and avoid the accountability. There’s a reason that so many people are studying for their exams or writing their paper the night before. It’s just human nature. And part of it is that we want to stay safe. We know we have a message. It’s kind of this back and forth, and back and forth.

I think we talked about the lizard – the part of your brain that comes back to caveman time, where you saw the wooly mammoth and you ran to the cave and it was fight/flight and literally everything shuts down except for flight because it’s trying to protect you. Same thing happens to your brain when you’re thinking “oh if I do this, people will reject it. Or they will say harsh things on Facebook. Or I’m criticized. Or my parents freak out when they read it. Or whatever it is. That is scary.

I think it’s very easy for us to try and find very rational ways, that sound real to us but they’re excuses (let’s call them what they are) but we make it sound like “Oh, I can’t because of this or that…” and so it’s very easy to duck the accountability and for it to feel scary. I would say it’s okay, that’s normal, don’t beat yourself up over that. “OMG why do I feel this way?” It’s just another [28:000 ????] get onto the situation. It’s counter-productive. Human nature to do that.

Mark: The relationship that you build with the process is that… I think it’s great that at Purpose Driven Publishing where they understand it and they know you’re going to be going through; they don’t belittle it by any means; because it’s super real; it’s super powerful when you’re in that moment. But what I also like… I don’t know exactly when it happens. Like if I send Jenn a text or I’m wallowing or whatever, “okay, that’s all really interesting are you done yet? Okay we’re moving on. The train has left the station. I appreciate the fact that this is real for you but times a ticking, we gotta go.”

Jean: And I think also sometimes just writing that down, may be very helpful to you. Just to get it out there. My kids will sometimes phone me and they’re telling me all these problems and then they’re like “I feel so much better now.” And I’m like “OMG- I feel terrible now – like I’m really worried.” And I had to learn

that I can’t take that on. It’s the same thing. Sometimes you just want the validation. Somebody’s hearing me and they see that this is happening for me and then it’s also the other side of that, now you feel better about it and can move on.

We all experience it differently. It’s different for all of us. I think that is something, Jenn, that you’re brilliant at; is responding to different people where they’re at. What it is for them. Because we are all on a similar journey, we’re going to have those ups and downs, but we may need a little, you get to know people so you know maybe this is what (Aaron claim this, Mark needs this reassurance here) this will be [xxxx]

Mark: Puppet master. The publisher puppet master.

Jenn: I do have rhyme and reason, usually for everything that I ask for everyone to do. This coming on Facebook live with us is completely not Machiavellian. I would love to claim it. I would love to claim that was intentional, but fortunately not this time. Having all those things where I say things like “go post it on Facebook.” It is a very uncomfortable thing to say that you’re doing this. I do this because I’m coming from a place of experience working with dozens of people but also from my own personal experience.

I said this in the Academy and (I may or may not have brought this up on a podcast before), years ago I declared (I had already written two of my books) and I was thinking about a third one, wasn’t really sure what I was going to do with it, and I was on some local tv show and they were asking me what are my plans and I rattled off that I have a book three and a book four that I’m planning on working on. That was in 2013 maybe. It took me until 2017, this past June, to actually publish the book that I was thinking of then. But I had declared it. I had even written it into my bio where it’s “Jenn’s working on her fourth book.” That did not happen. It sounds crazy but I had to be impregnated with the idea. It had to just hit me. And then one day, in October of last year, around election time, all of a sudden I was like “I know it.” I know. I’ve got it. I just ran with it. But that had been incubating. I had been percolating on it for four years or for three years at the time, before I actually took action on it.

And that’s me who’s telling you to get out of your comfort zone. I am not saying it from a place of my own, I follow my own rules, it’s just rather like I know what that does because that was always in the back of my mind “Shit, I publicly declared I was doing this. I have it written in my LinkedIn file that I’m working on this thing. And I wasn’t; I was thinking about it. It had to be the spark that I was waiting for to know what the book was going to be. Again, I say this not from a place of actually doing it myself sometimes, but I know the

amount of pressure that that can put on you and it is reassuring (and Mark you can speak to this) (and Jean you’ll be able to speak to this after people see this interview and people now knowing what you’re up to) but Mark one of the things you had said after you posted it, was “omg-I’m so supported. There were so many people who outpouring of support.”

Mark: It really was incredible. People, (I shared with Jenn) I had been stationed with all around the world just throwing in their support of “wow this is exciting; can’t wait to read it; good for you.” It was really beautiful to reconnect with some people. I guess that the gaping wound wasn’t that bad. The sting went away. It really was, if I had to look back at the timeline, that really was critical in making a move for this inertia, this positive moment.

Jenn: It’s all strategic. (I say that all the time.) it’s always done in a very specific time in the process. It’s when you need that boost. You need the boost of ‘wow, people are out there supporting me.’ I believe truly that people are inherently good. We may be in a cluster of chaos on the political front right now in our country. And there may be polarizing opinions and views from all directions. But, I inherently think people are good. So, when you are vulnerable and you put it out there to your network, saying “I’m working on this. This is something that’s a priority to me, it will be available some time in 2018, maybe it’s 2019,” whatever that time frame is, people aren’t going to go on there and be like “Mark, you’re a loser, you can’t do this.” No one would do that. That is not how people operate.

People are inherently good people. Especially if they’re connected to you – at least on Facebook. That’s typically people you somehow know vs. LinkedIn where it’s kind of random people connected to you. But that’s the thing. It’s getting that added boost of “now I have people who are interested.” Then you get the comments of “where can I buy it?”, “When is it going to become available?” And that’s where it starts really concretely set in. Shit. Now I have to have it done by this time because now people are waiting for it. And then I’m sure that triggers a whole bunch of other emotions of “Damn it Jenn, why did you have me do this?” But again, it’s all part of the process.

Mark: I don’t know about you Jean, but at the very beginning of Academy, where you hear “trust the process”, If I heard that one more time, I hate that. It was so true. It’s been like that. I’m so excited for you Jean. Watching. Being your champion and sidelines cheerleader, because I think you have an amazing story to tell and just your personality and coaching. I want to come and finish my whole book in your office.

Jean: From my perspective, it’s kind of like the tortoise and the hare. You’re the hare that actually finished and I’m like the tortoise that’s going along a little more

slowly. It’s inspiring to see someone that’s ahead of you, that’s done it, is making it happen. It could be comparing [37:00 – to spare], “Oh look at Mark, he’s done. Why can’t I be like him?” That’s his path and that’s what he’s doing. That’s his energy; and the place he was at the time he started. To reiterate again, we’re all in a different place, and we’ll get there; it’s just our path will be different.

I grew up sailing so it would be nice to do that shortest distance between two points is the way I’m gonna go, but it’s tacking [making hand signals, swerving]… I’m going like this, I’m going like this, and Yes, I’m going to get there, but it might not be that smooth sailing thing that I hope for; that’s kind of the dream. It’s the reality of it. It is the growth [gross?] too. When we have to deal with a setback or disappointment. I think it makes us better as people; stronger and better writers too. That’s something you bring to it. It wasn’t all easy. This is how I work through it. I think that’s a lot of your story and my story too. I’m sure other authors that are part of the Academy and soon to be or aspiring to be.

Jenn: This has been such a fantastic conversation. I want to be mindful of time on everyone’s calendars. What is your final parting nugget of wisdom?

Jean: I would say don’t wait until you have everything perfectly set up before you begin. Begin before you think you’re ready. Be super kind to yourself through the process. And practice self-compassion. And don’t try to do it all alone. Whatever your community is, get some support. I think you’ll get there.

Mark: I would also add to that (something else that I learned with Lisa that we talked about it in a previous episode), I think she gives you this advice Jenn, that uhm, you don’t have to know how to do it all. There’s a lot of people on this planet and there’s a lot of other people that will help or assist you, if you take that pressure and put that aside. I don’t have to be the expert on doing it all. The other thing, to your point Jean, be kind to yourself, is celebrate the wins. The small wins. Even if you are able to knock out a chapter and you sat down and you got it done, it’s a tough world out there folks, so just celebrate it. Get the extra scoop of ice cream or have the hot cocoa… whatever it is… celebrate those small wins and make it worth your time. It’s just going to be a more beautiful experience if we do celebrate the wins.

Jean: I agree. Have some fun along the way and treat yourself. You need to pick yourself up and be kind. I think that is awesome advice.

Jenn: These are perfect parting nuggets of wisdom. It’s something that none of us do all that well. Myself included. It’s nice to keep hearing it. As much as I dispense

advice on a daily basis, that doesn’t mean I follow it, so it’s nice to hear it from both of you as well.

This has been a fantastic episode. This show is now in iTunes, we are in Google Play, we are on Stitcher, and it’s on YouTube. We’re definitely expanding our reach and our audience. Super exciting.

Contact Info:

Jean: Jean@jeanhaynes.com; http://www.jeanhanes.com; Facebook. I love to hear from people. If anyone has any questions on anything I said, bring ‘em on.

Jenn: Thank you both. This concludes another episode of Publish your purpose, an author’s journey. See you in the next episode.

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